31 persons who participated in the HINDRAF rally have been charged with attempted murder. From a report by Malaysiakini (‘Attempted muder charge for Hindraf protestors’, 04.12.2007), it appears that the charge has been framed on the basis of an apparent intent to murder a police officer, Dadi Abdul Rani. The so-called attempt was alleged to have occurred during the debacle at the Batu Caves.
Let us leave aside the merits or de-merits of the charge for the moment and consider their context. The events at Batu Caves are now notorious. The version presented by the police was that they were compelled by circumstance to resort to tear gas and water cannons. The objective evidence (see Jeff Ooi's Minority Report series) points to a very different scenario; in the early hours of 25th November, persons at Batu Caves, and I use the word ‘person’ advisedly as it is not clear at all that these persons were going to participate in the HINDRAF rally, were corralled into the Batu Caves temple compound. Police officers then launched an offensive using tear gas and water cannons. It was during this melee that bricks and pipes were apparently thrown, it would appear in response to what the police were doing.
The Attorney General is quoted in the Malaysiakini report as saying, "They threw bricks at his head. Do you think it will not cause death?".
It does not follow that every person who throws a brick at someone intends to commit a murder. To have charged the accused for attempted murder, the Attorney General in his capacity as Public Prosecutor, must have been satisfied that every one of the 31 persons had intended to cause grievous harm to Officer Dadi of such a nature that his death was not unforeseeable. The Attorney General must be satisfied that there is enough evidence of such intention, and of actions motivated by such an intention, that were such evidence left unrebutted, a court would convict the 31 persons.
The Attorney General appear to think that there is sufficient evidence. From reports, this appears to be on the basis that anyone who threw a brick at the head of someone would have reasonably foreseen that the target might be injured to an extent that the target died.
In my view, this would not be sufficient. There has to be evidence that these 31 persons specifically attacked Officer Dadi. There has to be evidence that having chosen to attack Officer Dadi, these 31 persons then proceeded to attack him in such a way that his death by such attack would be foreseeable.
The events at Batu Caves, in my view, and I have not had sight of the charge sheets, do not allow for a clear conclusion of this nature to be drawn. Is the Attorney General saying that police officers who have beaten demonstrators or participants of rallies with batons on their heads are also culpable for attempted murder? Is he saying that the police officer who drew his firearm and shot 2 persons at Pantai Batu Burok also attempted to murder the persons he shot. I think not, not because the Attorney General has turned a blind eye to those events but because the actions of those police officers, as offensive as they may have been, simply do not form a basis for such a conclusion.
If they do, then the Attorney General is guilty of selective prosecution. Though in law the Attorney General as the Public Prosecutor has the absolute discretion to charge a person of a crime, this discretion not being justiciable, his discretion must be exercised in an even handed manner and not at whim and fancy. The Federal Constitution guarantees equal protection before the law. This precludes arbitrary invoking of legal process.
From this perspective, it is not unreasonable to think that the decision to charge may have been prompted by other considerations, principally a desire to stamp out any attempt to express disagreement and frustration with the way things are. The discretion to mount prosecutions has in this way been harnessed to the machinery of a government that tolerates little or no resistance as it engages in a perverse political dance with the leaders of HINDRAF.
How else does one explain the fact that the leaders of HINDRAF have not been charged with any crime though, if one believes the statements made by the authorities, there is sufficient basis for a prosecution? How else does one justify the presence of the Attorney General, recently returned from the International Court of Justice in the Hague, in the Klang Sessions Court?
The decision to charge the 31 of attempted murder, paving the way to a refusal of bail, was cruel. Though attempting to inflict bodily harm is not to be condoned, the authorities must see that the 31 and their families, their children, have been made pawns. They have been made to suffer, and will continue to do so as they await their trials, for nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Free the 31.
MIS
Let us leave aside the merits or de-merits of the charge for the moment and consider their context. The events at Batu Caves are now notorious. The version presented by the police was that they were compelled by circumstance to resort to tear gas and water cannons. The objective evidence (see Jeff Ooi's Minority Report series) points to a very different scenario; in the early hours of 25th November, persons at Batu Caves, and I use the word ‘person’ advisedly as it is not clear at all that these persons were going to participate in the HINDRAF rally, were corralled into the Batu Caves temple compound. Police officers then launched an offensive using tear gas and water cannons. It was during this melee that bricks and pipes were apparently thrown, it would appear in response to what the police were doing.
The Attorney General is quoted in the Malaysiakini report as saying, "They threw bricks at his head. Do you think it will not cause death?".
It does not follow that every person who throws a brick at someone intends to commit a murder. To have charged the accused for attempted murder, the Attorney General in his capacity as Public Prosecutor, must have been satisfied that every one of the 31 persons had intended to cause grievous harm to Officer Dadi of such a nature that his death was not unforeseeable. The Attorney General must be satisfied that there is enough evidence of such intention, and of actions motivated by such an intention, that were such evidence left unrebutted, a court would convict the 31 persons.
The Attorney General appear to think that there is sufficient evidence. From reports, this appears to be on the basis that anyone who threw a brick at the head of someone would have reasonably foreseen that the target might be injured to an extent that the target died.
In my view, this would not be sufficient. There has to be evidence that these 31 persons specifically attacked Officer Dadi. There has to be evidence that having chosen to attack Officer Dadi, these 31 persons then proceeded to attack him in such a way that his death by such attack would be foreseeable.
The events at Batu Caves, in my view, and I have not had sight of the charge sheets, do not allow for a clear conclusion of this nature to be drawn. Is the Attorney General saying that police officers who have beaten demonstrators or participants of rallies with batons on their heads are also culpable for attempted murder? Is he saying that the police officer who drew his firearm and shot 2 persons at Pantai Batu Burok also attempted to murder the persons he shot. I think not, not because the Attorney General has turned a blind eye to those events but because the actions of those police officers, as offensive as they may have been, simply do not form a basis for such a conclusion.
If they do, then the Attorney General is guilty of selective prosecution. Though in law the Attorney General as the Public Prosecutor has the absolute discretion to charge a person of a crime, this discretion not being justiciable, his discretion must be exercised in an even handed manner and not at whim and fancy. The Federal Constitution guarantees equal protection before the law. This precludes arbitrary invoking of legal process.
From this perspective, it is not unreasonable to think that the decision to charge may have been prompted by other considerations, principally a desire to stamp out any attempt to express disagreement and frustration with the way things are. The discretion to mount prosecutions has in this way been harnessed to the machinery of a government that tolerates little or no resistance as it engages in a perverse political dance with the leaders of HINDRAF.
How else does one explain the fact that the leaders of HINDRAF have not been charged with any crime though, if one believes the statements made by the authorities, there is sufficient basis for a prosecution? How else does one justify the presence of the Attorney General, recently returned from the International Court of Justice in the Hague, in the Klang Sessions Court?
The decision to charge the 31 of attempted murder, paving the way to a refusal of bail, was cruel. Though attempting to inflict bodily harm is not to be condoned, the authorities must see that the 31 and their families, their children, have been made pawns. They have been made to suffer, and will continue to do so as they await their trials, for nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Free the 31.
MIS
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Attempted murder? At most it was causing “grievous hurt”. A blanket denial of bail is cruel indeed especially for the three accused who are sick are not even spared by the Judge when she ruled the “defence also provided vague descriptions and insufficient evidence of the health conditions’
AFP reported one of them with a “hole in the heart” was there praying at the temple. Another was ranting “his nephew – not joining Hindraf” was also roped in. In one sweep, the police have caught many innocent ones.
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- the hysterical scene after the Judge announcement.
this is intimidation and victimisation in the highest order. One question, MIS, can the public via class action sue the AG for such blatant abuse of power and selective prosecution and persecution? i am ignorant in such legality but the AG office is being definitely maligned by this insane action of charging 31 Hindraf members for attempted murder.
Latest, the police is going after another 30 Hindraf members for the same allegations. And the top cop comes out blazing that Hindraf is trying to link up with etrroist organisation. This is preposterous coz if there is such attempt, the police should just arrest the leaders of Hindraf.
With the bidding of the subservient press, the government is trying to paint a damning picture of Hindraf and trying to make the 31 Hindraf members the ultimate scraficial lambs. No, this government is no better than the barbaric Burmese regime and therefore ahs lost all moral ground to talk about civility and fairness.
This is a circus show of the highest order. Everyone must plays his part. Hence the attempted murder charge. The IGP has also just played his part, by making baseless allegations that Hindraf has contacted terrorist groups, without showing a single thread of evidence.
I am in a sad that this thing is happening in my beloved country Malaysia.Why is that we are treated so bad in our own country. Why our brother's are charged with Attempt to murder.Anyone with sense won't believe that. Feel like watching a movie, still can't believa that it is happening here in out country.
So called Indian community leader Mr.Samy. Please don't keep on pretending to save your seat. Wake men and do something or atleast resign and admit that you are not fit to be our leader.
The police under Umno will be relentless till the poor Indians renounce Hindraf, and beg Umno for forgiveness for demonstrating. Luckily the leader of Umno with all wisdom & humanity at heart will pardon all 31 of them 1 month before election.
I belived it's all a ploy of good cop & bad cop!
These 31 peoples are hero and they need not to be shy.No need to hide your face.Show your face,we're here to give you our full suppot.They're answerable for all these injustice.Don't worry about your job or future.You're future are even brighter now.They don't realise that they're making the situation even worse now.Where is the justice?Do we have one?
Dear Mis,
I think the way AG and IGP conduct themselves and their authority (office) is bacoming a "joke". Are these people read any international news paper or they're living in "primitif" world believing that they're doing great job.
If any of them has been raised with good moral elements they should resign and go. It's obvious that they're not and they're putting the honorouable office in very dangerous position.
They're ill-advising the corrupted government and dening the fact that the whole world aware of descrimination and selectctive prosecution .
At of the day these 2 people AG n IGP putting the future generation in mess.
Altantuya's murderer is still out there,
Noritta murderer is still out there,
Nurin's murderer is still out there,
many unresolved murder cases by our incompetent police,
but people who gather at peaceful rallies are rounded up for " attempted murder"
the courts are unfair, the government is unfair, the police is unfair,
Malaysia has failed all of us !!!
Attempted Murder??
It's a Joke!!
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Attempted Murder!
Must be planned, targeted
with weapon without joke!
Police trapped People in the Cave so police be murdered?
Police went into the Cave to get murdered?
People know the officer
so to plan and target him to be murdered?
Murder by crowds of 31 with bricks!!!!?
So, the office must have at least 31 wounds
or one wound by 31 bricks?
An officer known to almost no one
after teargas and water cannons
to shut people in their place of worship
with women and kids
a place "Private" to the police
come with a "Attempted Murder" to be plead.
An officer to be murdered
and not police ahead?
Without logic
it cannot stand and is a trick!!
Cause of Action: An officer get Hurt!
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Did the Police planned with the Teargas and water Cannons?
Did the Police targeted People in the Crowd?
Did the police hurt many in the Crowd?
Are Police legal in the Cave to attack?
Or Police legal outside to attack People inside?
Similar Cause of Action: raised the counterclaim (unfortunately, the power is with the AG, isn't it?)
Otherwise, the Police involved should be prosecuted without bail as well!!
So a few hundred or thousand of Police have to be in jailed!!
STAND THE MIRROR TEST, IF JUDGE TO BE FAIR!!
Sent the patients to Hospital to test!
Sickness is not ruled by court but the Doctors!!
If I am the Judge
"nonsense" should throw towards AG instead!!
I agree that this is done by the government to intimidate the HINDRAF supporters. Nevermind that the evidence is not convincing, nevermind that the argument does not hold water, nevermind that the NGOs are protesting against it, so long as they can prolong the suffering of these citizens and cause grivience to their loved ones, no matter what the outcome is, in 2-3 year time, they have already suceeded in warning the HINDRAF supporters and others alike not to protest against the government again!
Btw, what happened to Semi-value's hotline? and that he will compile a telephone book of griviences by the indian community to Abdullah? Has he abandoned the indian community?
on a lighter note, i will be taking a stroll down TAR road from Sogo to BAR Council building on 9/12/07 (Sun) 8 am. Oh..nothing much, just feel abit free and wanted to go for a morning walk. Hope you all can join me. a little exercise will do you good..=D. Hope to meet MIS at the BAR Council building, unless it's jam packed, in that case i will be outside the building, lining up for free food! =P Who's coming?
Release the 31 innocent peoples immediately.Don't misuse the power that we gave you to protect us.
if Tan Sri Mohd Rahmat wants to know what more the Indians need, he should ask Samy Vellu, he should ask thru the proper channels too.
If you ask through the media, then you should expect answers thru the media too.
Too used to double standards eh Rahmat ?
What else to say, everyone have express their concern over this issue. Whatever it is,just remember what our PM said after Bersih-'saya pantang di cabar.' He mean it to the people who supported him in the last GE don't he.Attempt to killing by AG? The world is watching and not everybody is stupid like our gov,police and AG. AG should be more concern about Pulau Batu Putih, not to some baseless cases just to treaten people.From here, I can see these people have no respect for our Rukun Negara, believe in GOD.Coz if u believe in GOD, you won't even attempt to do, this kind of cruel set and up punish the whole family.May GOD give extra bless to all the 31 people and give a lesson to those are cruel. Thank MIS for being fair and not being as one of them to attack HINDRAF with false allegations. Every angle is corrupted now.Time to do some house keeping in the next GE. Pls register your name and cast your vote for the people not to demons/devils who againts our GOD.
Lets make the change together. Lets be true Malaysia like wish by Dato Onn Bin Ja'afar and not Malay,Chinese or Indian. 50 years, just one nation in the world Map but not in the heart of people.
Going by the AG's convoluted logic, every bus driver who steers his vehicle into a ravine or road diver and causes massive injury to his passengers should also be charged with attempted murder. If he is under the influence of alcohol, he should face the some charge.
But in our country the AG plays politics.
Release the 31 innocent peoples immediately.Don't misuse the power .... what;s happening to our country??? It is gettingmore and more scary ... on how they use "their's" power ... vote out...
UMNO is on the warpath and is showing the others(non-bumis.) who is boss. It was the police who first used teargas and water cannons, thus getting those Indians incensed and enraged. In the circumstatnces, who can blame them for retaliating? In fact, the police should be charged for assault.
But we all know that UMNO will not let the police take any blame. UMNO's star prosecutor, Ghani Patail has even been called to prosecute this case personally, just to ensure things go UMNO's way.
Malik,
totally agree with you.
This is selective prosecution and the govt is showing how fair they are to the Indians. If they continue on this path, the govt is going to loose more support. But then maybe they will want this case to conclude early and then use the reaction of the Indians to cause some trouble so that they can use ISA etc.
Unbelievable! digusted!Inhuman! Laggard! Beast!Heartless!Brainless!hipocrate! If we ask their God what have you done to them, He will definetly say they are demons.
A Sad Song for Peace!
To the 31 in Jail
when Police+AG+Court in one piece!
(Rhythms: from Where have all the flowers gone?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLe9pJSRas0&feature=related
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Where have all the appeals gone?
Long time passing!
Where have all the memos gone?
Some time ago!
Where have all the Rallies gone?
Police teargas everywhere!
Did PM ever see?
Did PM ever see?
Where have all the police gone?
Gone to bully everyone!
Where have all the fairness gone?
Gone to greedy!
Where have all the money gone?
Gone to toll, tax, corruptions!
No one need to be told!
No one need to be told!
Where have all the MPs gone?
Gone to sleeping everyone!
Where have all the projects gone?
Gone to Samy!
Where have all the joking gone?
Gone to leaking everywhere!
Did PM ever know?
Did PM ever know?
Where have lost the ballots box?
EC chief knew nothing?
Where have all the tricks to be?
BN knows well!
Where have all the postal votes?
Gone to BN's pocket!
Did PM ever know?
Did PM ever know?
Where have all the People gone?
Gone to Rallies everyone!
Where have all the People gone?
Gone to Valley!
Where have all the People gone?
Talking grievance everyone!
So PM stays away
So PM stays away!
Why surveys one by one?
BN's way of swinging!
Why only survey done?
Their only way!
Why survey off the facts?
BN's tricks to overcome!
Hiding facts from everyone
Hiding facts from everyone!!
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MANY GRIEVES TO SING!
The original sang during Anti-war in U.S.
so for Peace this song wrote
and for Peace this song is repeated!!
The question is where the Grievances can go?
How many more to be abused?
when at least 31 Hindu in court
even for a peaceful walk in Batu Cave!
PM swing with surveys over facts
Just repeating "King in his new dress"!
People not in War
but to the walls!!
I did not believe in HINDRED all this while. Their accusations sounded wild and too way out to be true...
BUT... all I read and saw what happened to the 31 people ... God forbid ... I'm SURE, very very SURE, the Indians are indeed being Persecuted, bullied and denied their basic rights...
It takes a revolution,
To make a solution,
Too much confusion,
So much frustration.
I don't wanna live in the dark,
Can't trust no shadows after dark,
So my friends,
I wish that you could see,
Like the bird in the tree,
The prisoners must be free.
Never make a politician,
Grant you a favour,
They would always want to,
Control you forever.
One need not read HINDRAF's controversial memorandum here to see that what the government is doing is indeed proving HINDRAF correct in the eyes of the entire world.
I'll bet that some Indians watching all this unfold would feel like Jews in Nazi Germany right now. The only thing is that we don't need to wear Yellow Stars of David. Our skin colour gives us away.
Perhaps, some Indians watching this may now feel that it is now necessary to do our own Exodus and return to our ancestral homeland, the way the Jews did to theirs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uUDtDeLHGE. After all, we Malaysian Indians have been repeatedly told that if we don't like it here that we should return to India, even though we consider Malaysia our home. C'est la Vie.
I believe none can be found guilty.
The purpose I think is more to put them in jail and mental torture which actually will be the the punishments.
If they are found not guilty is there any compensation?
Itis a cliche to say that I too cannot believe that I am living in Malaysia, the country for which I spent 30 years in uniform. Me and my colleagues were there against the CPM and during confrontasi and we never thought that we were fighting for a political party of an ethnic one. It is a shame and Samy Velu, if has an iota of conscience has to speak out for the 31 being charged or resign immediately.
I think the gov should understand the ppl are now a lot smarter, we know whats right and wrong, I hope the gov stop playing games and get down to business of running the country of us. Also the so-call number one servant must understand the rakyat need ever if he is from another party or race. I think HINDRAF should meet the PM as a rakyat and should not need anyone's permission. This is not a political issue it should be a rakyat issue to the PM oops the number servant
I don't understand. 31 people got together and threw one brick at a policeman? How could so many people grip the brick?
The government's acts have lend credence to the claims made by Hindraf that they are victimised and bullied at every corner.
Gani Patail as usual appears from nowhere to 'take charge' of such a case. Making a fool outta himself as usual.
Just remember the world is watching!
Evidently the charge is trumped up. The intention is to detain the accused for a long time thus the unbailable charge instead of ISA.
It is clear that the LAW IS ABUSED and the judicial system is biased. This is clearly double-standard, apartheid in nature and a form of ETHNIC CLEANSING undeniably. These kind of acts which happens to the Malaysian Indians is the main contributing factor for HINDRAF to champion for basic rights of a citizen. It's neither politicla nor racial as trumpeted by the government.
The are diverting from the real issue and fooling the citizens. Only the broad minded and intelligent one knows the motive of the rally.
http://scorpionmy.blogspot.com
Is selective prosecution a crime??
If sciologists were to evaluate the Barisan controlled-media's turnspeak on Hidraf, it would be entitled "the lust to demonize." It is almost impossible to conduct a meaningful dialogue with a media bound by a Printing Act leash dangling around its neck. I am reminded of the statesman Dr Tan Chee khoon, he was one of the few who had the capacity to speak for the downtroden without fear or favor, and that was in an era where the media was not emasculated. Umno putras and their agents have conveniently camoflouged the whole March and dissent as an incidious racial issue, a volatile attempt to stir unrest in the country. It is a winding road often travelled, yet Malaysians are not as gullible as the establishment envisions it to be.
As you have rightly pointed out the Indians have been crushed for decades. The tarred roads they laboured over have almost become a reflection of their marginalisation, while others have long passed that road to acheive their dreams. For decades the community, their children and peoples continue to face the same cycle of poverty, discrimination and disenfranchisement.
The Indians have often stood with others in the cause of fighting against injustices, often to the point of losing the little fincances they have. They have often walked championing the cause of emancipation for other minorities while they lost their own priveleges, often at the expsense of their own lives. Invariably, when Indians stand up for their own plight, they stand alone.This predicament after five decades of oppression will not get them any standing ovation, other than continued “Police prison lock up mystery deaths” and a stoic establishment silence and refusal to prosecute those who perpetrated brutal killings of their families in slums such as Kampong Medan.
Selective journalism has been with us long before the oldest profession. And it does exhibit its “assets” for maximum appeal. It amuses me to varying degrees of hilarity and sorrow as to how far some would go to legitamize their prejudice and religous bigotry against Indians. Feeding off the crumbs of Umno Printing Press Act table can have an adverse effect on institutionalised loyalty and allegiance. Rice bowl journalism however does create a dependence that is hard to disenggage.
It is interesting to observe that none of the goverment-controlled media has dared to break ranks from the establishment leash to feature an independent non-biased interviewwith Uthayakumar. His view or version of the Hindraf march has instead been portrayed as one that is seditious and militant. The issue of multiple deaths of Indians in prison or the Kampong Medan killings has been deliberately concealed.
I have yet to see Rocky or any of the BN concubine media take Umno Youth keris waving jihadists to task for inciting racial or religous sentiment. The simple fact is that threats of ethnic cleansing by keris waving politician according to these media concubines are to be condoned, the less influential minorities with little economic clout must be coerced to apologize for using their voices, in other words, the marginalised Malaysian Indians is only qualified to be the nation's top candidate for the heaviest possible crush.
After all, are not the marginalised Malaysian Indians and other minorities not to smile and politely nod and sing praises to the goverment's ketuanan Melayu concept? We are being constantly lectured about the "intrinsic value" of ketuanan Melayu to the point any protest may result a quick confrontation from the boys at Kamunting. Perhaps it is a silencing we will ulitmately get used to? Umno Youth hopes and doa is that non-bumis embrace ketuanan Melayu just like a keris bathed in blood. Daulat bumi!
The legitimate issues brought up by Hindraf should not be eclipsed by selective journalism, nor Umno jihadist propaganda. As Malaysians witnessed, none of the goverment-controlled media dared to state how the Police and FRU bulldozed the Batu Caves temple and shot chemical-laced water jets and tear gas into captive crowds. After all, as far as the goverment-controlled media is concerned, the BBC and other foreign media are all united against Umno putras and on a conspisary to "fabricate" news of what happened on the Sunday March. How dare any institution challenge the almighty Barisan controlled-media!
The local Press went on a rampage to feature a tirade of fabricated “scoops” like the allegation that Hindraf members allegedly attacked an Indian restaurant in Brickfields(Paandi). Even in their retraction (when the restaurant owner himself exposed the blatant lies), the Star failed to print a retraction. Sri Paandi Restaurant boss Mr Thomas and Mr Kumar denies making any allegation against Hindraf or to indicate that they were responsible for an attack by thugs at his restaurant. Nevertheless, Tv1, Tv2, Tv3 or NTV7, Bernama and The Malay Mail quoted that he did. Such media control and manuevering by the Umno-controlled goverment rivals any coup de tat.
In my opinion, Indians of various religous background and persuasions will stand with Hindraf for the following reasons:
Firstly, Hindraf has a legitimate right to speak out against the systematic ethnic cleansing of poor and marginalised Indians that has manifested over the past three decades. There is irrefutable evidence of this in the aspect of multiple deaths or “Police related lock-up deaths” and the involment of goverment in carrying out such dastardly attacks. Uthayakumar himself has documented death threats against him and the destruction to his car and property in retaliation to his determination to defend Indians from these injustices.
Secondly, Indians of other religous and ethnic persuasions have witnessed similar violations against them, the destruction of churches and property including the demolition of crosses and statues in Christian schools and Convents and to the Orang Asli in the interior has been carried out systematically. There is documented evidence of these and other violations and the goverment must demonstrate sincerity in its claim to openess to executing justice for these oppressed groups.
Thirdly, the current MIC leadership has failed to bring economic, social or cultural emancipation to the community. There needs to be a new impetus and reformation in seeking development and breakthrough for the community.
The continued propaganda and demonization of Hindraf is counterproductive and serves only to promote the narrow racist policies of Umno and its Barisan agents. It is pivotal that other communities stand with Hindraf in their struggle liberate the Indian community from its captive status. When one chooses to remains silent when a minority is being crushed, it may reap silence when if falls on them.
what? 31 to kill 1...? What about other police and security officers, what were they doing? Here we have a situation where 100 policemen clain they saw 'p'...1000other people assert they saw 'b' (look, you get 'p' if you invert 'b)...it was a Hindu auspicious day on that morning and it's usual for people to pray through early hours in the morning. Else, why would one go to Bt. Caves after 11 pm the day earlier?
ok, ok....
How about that police who insulted the faith of Hindus by saying why throw stones to us when you pray at it? I think Malaysians need more Pendidikan Moral and those going for Kelas Agama to practise what their faith actually demands from them....
Malaysia need to be suspended from Commonwealth. This idiot AG should resign. Pak Lah ... you're counting your days .. we will make sure you're on permanent honeymoon with new wife from next year. Bye bye .. Malaysia.
hmmm.... while i also thing 'causing hurt' is more appropriate, the memorandum itself is so ridiculous. indians are 8% of population. from my non-expert and layman eyes, looks to me like about 8% representation in jobs in klang valley. except law, which is more than 8%. and i can see temples everywhere, presumably these are the legal ones? and threatening a sri lanka? ppl, that jalan is suicide bombing. jews konon. pas supporters, keadilan members also kena the same treatment what, in court, kena tangkap, kena isa. same thing happens to hindraf, suddenly they are like jews pulak. i don't follow this logic. sorrylah. if you want more sympathy, be fair and acknowledge others before you who were also treated like this. but to do that, have to let go the only-hindus-are-denied-bail woe-is-me-how-my-race-is-a-victim attitude. nak tolong pun menyampah.
bla..bla..bla...justice eh??
The nature of man is to express himself/herself be it in art,music,beauty or truth.When he/she is denied this right.He/she will always revolt until he/she is given the right to express himself.Divinity is the highest expression of man.It comes from the knowledge all are.You can kill a man by brutal force but never his ideas.Its will take form in righteousness minded people and sprout like wildfire till it becomes a tree and bear fruit for all to enjoy it.Sir you are blessed indeed.As long as there are ppl like you there is still hope.
let's see... 31 against 1, armed with bricks too. What would the chance of survival be if murder was indeed intended?
I used to be a fan of BN...not MIC, so I voted for BN. All these things happening around me, is so frustrating...so I lie back, disgusted that I have condoned such a government for such a long time. GOD, give me a chance to correct myself. GOD, I hope now, I am on your side.
I believe that UMNO is making a mistake by charging the 31. Sure, UMNO is showing who is boss by doing so, but it can complicate things and make things worse in terms of race relations.
Granted that Hindraf made some unjustifiabe claims, etc. but UMNO can explain things easily if what Hindraf claimed is false. By explaining away and taking a soft approach, Hindraf may be made to "feel small and look like a fool". But no, UMNO wants to show who is boss, and who is in charge. Maybe even showing their power this way, and hoping that by such tough stands, others who plan to stage demonstrations/protests, may be put off.
Such methods by UMNO may turn out to be bad for the country, particularly for UMNO, not that that will worry me(bad for UMNO). But UMNO is more interested in power(retaining it) than any other consideration.
My suggestion is to free those detained with a stern warning, and call up those leaders to warn them, with the condition "that those caught again for a similar offence, will be detained, and charged for breaking the laws.
Going through photos such as those from Jeff Ooi' Minority Report Series http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/11/, there were a great number of plain-coat police doing the attack and arrest. Obviously there were no way of identifying whether they are police or not.
Should Police give identification of each and every one in the photo as witness to the case?
Thereby, the sort of violation of procedures, using unnecessary force and causing injury should be accounted.
Someone should help to centralize all these photo to help the case and possible counter suit!!
To Policewatch.com or else??
The Murder Charge and Denial of Bail against the 31 indians is the ruling party ruthless tactics to provoke indians and cause a racial riot in the country,, in order to the get the malays to vote for govt and to use ISA against the opposition parties ... the ruling party is trying their best to provoke racial riot in the country.. remember how May 13 1969 was used to dispose of tunku abdul rahman...
is any party within ruling government is trying to stir racial riot to dispose Pak Lah within the Govt? either way.. ruling party get it their way..!
Let this be a durable reminder to all Malaysians that there is no accountability for police actions and behaviors.
If you happen to be amongst the excluded, any and all pressures can be willfully applied on you regardless of your legitimate grievances or circumstances. You effectively have no rights to defend yourself from being used, abused, pressurred, or coerced.
Outstanding accomplishments of law and order.
Israel now knows what to do the next time a Palestinian kid throws a rock at one of their soldiers, thanks to Malaysia.
Malaysia, on its part, must not interfere with Israels internal affairs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdady_tPsHg
Judges that allow this charge to go through and they want to arrest lawyers who want to clean up.
How can Badawi think that a true free Royal Commission is not needed.
Something Badawi should consider is this. Does he want others to do onto him what he does now. If he think its not possible, consider what they have done to Dr. M and he should think twice about not cleaning up the judiciary.
Free them immediately!
Is there a fund being set up to help the persecuted persons' families? Please do announce it in this and other blogs as I am sure many, including me, would like to contribute. Of course, got to have good trustees of the fund, if not we'll end up like our elected "trustees".
I am really sad to see how our malaysia is moving these last few months. The govertment failed to realise that the rakyat is no longer living under the coconut tree. We are heading towards the Vision 2020, and just 12 years to go and they expect the rakyat to believe what they want us to believe. We are not totally depending on the Govertment controlled media like 10 years ago. This whole issue - BERSIH & HINDRAF rallies are being watched live on AL Jazeera and other websites. So come PM, be realistic with what you have to say to the rakyat.
The HINDRAF case was not handle in a proffesional and democratic manner. The Govertment should have thrown their statistics about the Indian COmmunity status in the country rather than using the word of mouth. Please we have got our independence 50 years ago. Look at the people - those who are rich getting rich. ALl the politician family members and relatives are definitely doing well. I am sure Our MIC leaders relatives and friends are much better indians. Go around do the ground work - see what is happening to the indians. I am shock to believe there are indian who do not have Birth Certificates in the estates (in astro Kutra Pathrikai edition). WHo is at fault? WHy there is no govertment agencies looking after this?
The AG and IGP had made themselves as the CLOWN OF THE YEAR, do they really think the people believe inwhat they saying in the national media? Havethey ever thought what they are saying.
There are more high profile cases which the AG could have pay more attention rather than the poor 31 Hindraf casualities.
AG should spend his time, knowledge and effort on Alahtunya, BKt AMan CCID corruptions, Nurin and other children missing, and recent bribery allegation on an deputy minister and SO ON. I hope he has done a good job on Pulau Batu Putih case in Hague. Hope we don't lose our land to singapore.
The IGP - pleasseeeeeeeeeeee look at your police force intergerity. The public is losing confidence in the police. We are starting to be scared of them - they are free to misuse their power. They had to be friendly not scary.
There are a lot crimes taking place in the neighbourhood. Sent your police force there to reduce the crime rate. There are rumuors, Police even taking money from the foreig workers when they stop them. The image of the police has fallen apart. The IGP should work more to clean his own house before pointing the fingers or make false allegations. We do not want the LTTE to get offended and come over here after the AG and IGP.
We are behind the 31 malaysian who are the political victim of the Ruling Party. Hope Justice will prevail.
Lets pray for them and hope they are all acquitted of all false charges.
Disappointed Malaysian.
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