tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post2937025351695991454..comments2023-10-25T19:40:32.887+08:00Comments on Disquiet: Do Unto OthersMalik Imtiaz Sarwarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06047439912593830984noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-77406126542717075512009-02-03T12:59:00.000+08:002009-02-03T12:59:00.000+08:00The problem with the analogy of Malaysia being att...The problem with the analogy of Malaysia being attacked by another country is that, from a legal point of view, Palestine is not "another country". As long as Israel refuses to allow partition, the situation there is that of a government using heavy military forces against <I>its own citizens</I>. A better analogy would be the federal government bombing all of Sabah and Sarawak in retaliation for crimes committed by a few east Malaysians.xenobiologistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09781983279242647376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-89982845290418225582009-01-19T00:04:00.000+08:002009-01-19T00:04:00.000+08:00Dear Malik,I beg to disagree with some parts of yo...Dear Malik,<BR/><BR/>I beg to disagree with some parts of your analysis here. Reading your first few paragraphs, I see that you seemed to believed all the propaganda and lies spread by the Zionist regime and its massive communication networks. <BR/><BR/>As you are aware, West Bank and Gaza is under full Israeli military occupation. Israel controls all land and sea borders. There is no freedom of movement. Their basic rights were denied. Do you expect no resistance at all to all these? <BR/><BR/>Obviously, Hamas knew that their Qassam rockets are nothing compared to the Israeli military might, but what they did was a show of defiance. This is absolutely natural in any fight against colonialism.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, note that most of the Hamas rockets were targetted at Jewish settlements within Palestinian territories - which was not suppose to be there in the first place! It doesn't make sense for you to build houses in somebody else's territory and expect to live there in peace, do you?<BR/><BR/>Check this out to see how "terrible" the impact caused by the rockets. Something which the Israel used to justify their war on Gaza. http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story<BR/><BR/>To answer your analogy in the earlier part of the article, I wish to quote the following;<BR/><BR/>"Israeli apologists have presented absurd propaganda about those devices. We’ve been asked, for instance, what would we do if rockets were being launched on our homes in New York or Texas, from Canada or Mexico?<BR/><BR/>The proper answer is that, if those two nations had been unlawfully occupied or embargoed by the United States for 60 years of relentless oppression and repression, and if all attempts at peaceful change had been forcefully prevented or scuttled by the U.S., then such attacks would be an understandable, indeed a justifiable attempt at gaining intolerably deferred liberty.<BR/><BR/>Our appropriate response wouldn’t be to bomb the hell out of the nearest Canadian or Mexican city, but to collectively look into mirrors and earnestly ask ourselves, “What have we done wrong to incur their wrath?”<BR/><BR/>And then act to correct the situation." - http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/01/01/the-truth-about-those-hamas-rockets/Shahnonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07604662577521839553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-22916189621685947872009-01-17T21:38:00.000+08:002009-01-17T21:38:00.000+08:00Fantastic analysis. However, there have been just ...Fantastic analysis. <BR/><BR/>However, there have been just about to many analysis. Very few that attempt to look at it without bias.<BR/><BR/>Its time for solutions. And I for one, have come to the conclusion that mapping a solution out of historical and religious road maps will not achieve anything. <BR/><BR/>I dn't believe in the two state solution either.<BR/><BR/>A single state looked at as a single nation. A secular state that caters to the religious interests of the individual with no religious involvement in state affairs. And let the refugees who are outside these territories return. The state to cater to their resettlement. <BR/><BR/>Let there be political parties, but only those that operate by philosophies that are universal to all residents and citizens. There should be no place for anyone with a religious motivation to play politics. There should also not be any preferences or priorities given to any quarter. And the past shall have no say in the make up of this new nation. <BR/><BR/>Obviously for all those who hve been victims, who have sacrificed, who hve suffered, will want to seek justice. Unfrtunately this is one instance I shall not want to seek it. It only interferes in what can be achieved without bringing forward any of the bagagage of the old to the new. <BR/><BR/>If something like this cannot be done, then I guess we are all just left with nothing but violence, death and destruction into eternity. WE just cannot let those hate filled peple move this forward.Old Farthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06473446507494861946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-37667885729484098932009-01-15T07:00:00.000+08:002009-01-15T07:00:00.000+08:00bro,Human right and occupation land...how do the G...bro,<BR/>Human right and occupation land...how do the Gaza people want to defend themself..they vote Hamas thru the general election the democratic process imported from America.ChengHohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04921277183237874214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-77883181929627249072009-01-14T14:10:00.000+08:002009-01-14T14:10:00.000+08:00maliki do not diagree with your arguments. they ar...malik<BR/><BR/>i do not diagree with your arguments. they are as always intellectually stimulating.<BR/><BR/>But when the stronger side, supported by the most pwerful nation in the world, forces the other into a corner and still "terrorizes it, that state will react. Put a wounded anuimal in a coerner and see if it will not attack you.<BR/><BR/>ABB's statement and you acceptance of the implication alone strengthen the point I have made above. No historical baggage etc to strain the view. If I am put into a corner, I have to fight back or get eliminated!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-65131366211903898392009-01-14T13:46:00.000+08:002009-01-14T13:46:00.000+08:00Dear Mr. Malik,It is also a relief to me to read y...Dear Mr. Malik,<BR/><BR/>It is also a relief to me to read your commentary. You truly are one of those who are wise and peace-loving, not influenced by the unwarranted calls for violence. I wish some of our politicians are as wise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-19135474698153689852009-01-14T07:43:00.000+08:002009-01-14T07:43:00.000+08:00Abdullah AR and others,I am not condoning the atta...Abdullah AR and others,<BR/><BR/>I am not condoning the attack by Israel, I do not think it should have happened. I also appreciate the frustrations on the Palestinian side. The point I make is that however a nation may have been formed or no matter its conduct, if it is attacked it will retaliate. <BR/><BR/>What I presented was a snapshot. I did not set out to establish the historical reasons for conflict in the region. That however is the perspective many of those who are now involved will have. History is easily forgotten on both sides of the divide and expectations are shaped by the present. <BR/><BR/>That is why I focused on the legality of the war and the way it is being waged. Let me say that I do think the war and the way it is being waged is contrary to law. Implicit in Abdullah's comment is the suggestion that if a nation were to force the hand of another and consequences that were foreseeable follow, then that nation does not have basis in attacking the other. IN my view, there is some merit in that suggestion.<BR/><BR/>MIS<BR/><BR/>Expecting Israel to stand by and let the rocket attacks happen, even if they did not do any damage, is unreasonable for being an expectation that w on either side, politics will inform decision making.Malik Imtiaz Sarwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06047439912593830984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-24045082704765820062009-01-14T01:49:00.000+08:002009-01-14T01:49:00.000+08:00Imtiaz - Pls remove my earlier comment on this top...Imtiaz - Pls remove my earlier comment on this topic. In its place, I post the following comment.<BR/><BR/>Imtiaz, you said "Imagine a rocket being fired into our territory by persons or organizations in a neighbouring country."<BR/><BR/>Imagine if our country was officially part of the neighbouring country. We waged war against them and drove them out of their land. We confine them to a tiny section we now call the neighboring country. And until recently, we had been forcing our ways to colonise whatever little was left to them. Although we have officially retreated, our security forces still enter the neighbouring country at will, we block supplies to the neighbouring country and control their land, sea and air traffic. In the meantime, the people of the neighbouring country still see our country as rightfully theirs and see us as usurper of their land and oppressor of their people.<BR/><BR/>Do we then wonder why they launch rockets into our country?Abdullah ARhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02227585984983200500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-33440736856716311162009-01-14T00:12:00.000+08:002009-01-14T00:12:00.000+08:00stand up and be counted?you better ask Hamid. Acco...stand up and be counted?<BR/><BR/>you better ask Hamid. According to him, its alright to demo against the atrocities against Israel. But demo against Sri Lankas for the killings aint not ok. I dont see the logic, do you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-81503039106432330422009-01-13T23:46:00.000+08:002009-01-13T23:46:00.000+08:00Dear Mr Malik,An avid follower of your blog, I usu...Dear Mr Malik,<BR/><BR/>An avid follower of your blog, I usually choose to keep my thoughts to myself. But this time, I am simply relieved to learn that even when faced with an issue as volatile as this, you remain a calm and collected voice of reason.<BR/><BR/>For that, thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-79759557761569135992009-01-13T22:53:00.000+08:002009-01-13T22:53:00.000+08:00Mmmm..I am wondering if the MIS analogy is applica...Mmmm..I am wondering if the MIS analogy is applicable to India pakistan situation as well. Can you imagine if India took a stand like Israel against pakistan? I am sure then the Mlaysian Muslims would burn Indian flag etc etc...the normal show. The Malaysian Muslims always take the issue as a religious one and not humanitarian, thus applicable to all situations. This should change.<BR/>Eg no one makes any noise when similar situation arose in Sri Langka.They take it as Tamil problem. Here the Tigers are considered terrorist, so is hamas-also designated as a terrorist organizaion. Both are human first!<BR/><BR/>They should also make their stand clear when the Muslims brothers also make undue damage to other country/ nation. All I see the Muslims do is take the side of the people who share the same religion as them and justify their act irrespective who is wrong. There is always an argument / justification in their support of Muslims irrespective of what they have done.<BR/>I wish to see the Muslims in Malaysia making marches when the Muslims terrorist do 'unislamic'(one example-since it was then agreed that beheading on video of civilian held for ransom) things and thus tarnish the image of Islam, instead of reacting after the victim retaliates!<BR/>As long as the human suffering in the world gets humane view and not religiously biased view by Muslims there will be no peace any where. Sadly it is the innocent civilians who suffer, be it in war or suicide bombs or trigger happy terrorist attacks with AK47 in public places.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-35723023955345335832009-01-13T20:38:00.000+08:002009-01-13T20:38:00.000+08:00Dear MISI am truly appalled by your analogy in the...Dear MIS<BR/><BR/>I am truly appalled by your analogy in the first few paragraphs to justify Israel's 'retaliation' against HAMAS rockets attack. <BR/><BR/>Israel's annihilation of Gaza is not act of retaliation of a peaceful and innocent nation against her aggresive neighbor.<BR/><BR/>Since its inception, Israel has systematically taken over Palestinian lands (see for example Qadri, M (2008) Unleashed: A Palestinian Existence [Online] http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2281356.htm).<BR/><BR/>Naturally, you would expect resistance against all these atrocities and injustice. One of the more effective ways-to fight against the mighty occupier and seek justice-is through guerilla warfare (see Cuba and Vietnam for examples) that includes rocket attacks.<BR/><BR/>However, I truly agree with your conclusion.<BR/><BR/>FloodgateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-77395149401533617992009-01-13T19:35:00.000+08:002009-01-13T19:35:00.000+08:00LET'S TAKE ON AS PEACEMAKERSLet's do our best as p...LET'S TAKE ON AS PEACEMAKERS<BR/><BR/>Let's do our best as peacemakers<BR/>For one day we'll meet our Maker<BR/>He'll ask us for the stand we make<BR/>Let's be peacemakers and not fakes<BR/><BR/>(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 130109<BR/>http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com<BR/>Tue. 13th Jan. 2009.Samuel Goh Kim Enghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04928953594234807753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-76279913530298638392009-01-13T18:57:00.000+08:002009-01-13T18:57:00.000+08:00You analysis of the issue is at best a snap shot r...You analysis of the issue is at best a snap shot reflection of the current conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. <BR/><BR/>You start off your analysis by considering what ought to be the appropriate Israeli response to Hamas rocket attacks and thus seem to give the impression that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.<BR/><BR/>The situation of course is very different as the context of the current conflict is that it is one in a series of battles in a long drawn out struugle by the Palestinians to regain their land and lives from colonization and oppression by the Zionists.Put all the facts in perspective and then let people decide if indeed Hamas had a right to fire those Qasam rockets into Israel's backyards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1181672827682662169.post-63523702395896286522009-01-13T16:41:00.000+08:002009-01-13T16:41:00.000+08:00Dear MIS,Thank you for sharing this excellent pers...Dear MIS,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for sharing this excellent perspective. <BR/><BR/>It is a very good change to read a commentary on this subject that is not strident, one-sided and hate-laden.<BR/><BR/>Best wishes,CPKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com